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[lareinenoire]

So I know I'm ages behind everyone in the watching of Doctor Who but I just got through the Second Series finale. There were tears.



Although the insult war between the Daleks and the Cybermen was hilarious.

And Pete and Jackie! That did make me happy.

But the last bit on the beach was just heartbreaking. As it was obviously meant to be. Poor, poor Rose. And the Doctor, for that matter. I'd been spoiled for the return of the Daleks, but it was fairly minor in terms of massive spoilers. And I knew Rose was gone but she 'died' in a very different way from what I was necessarily expecting.

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[darth-kittius.livejournal.com]

I waited until about a month ago to see it because I knew it would be emotional after everyone's posts on the subject. And I completely agree with you. The Dalek/Cybermen conversations were my favorite part! I was dying laughing. And Rose.... I really like her. I know everyone is all excited about the new girl. I'm sure I'll be ok with her too... but Rose is... Rose!

[lareinenoire.livejournal.com]

I will miss Rose too, although it will be neat to see Ten through the eyes of someone completely new.

[tempestsarekind.livejournal.com]

My favorite Dalek line is probably when the Doctor greets Mickey: "Social interaction will cease!" Hee.

I have... well, Opinions about S2 Rose and her character arc, but the end of "Doomsday" was such a heartbreaker!

[lareinenoire.livejournal.com]

I'm curious to hear Opinions. Especially since everyone and their mother saw this months ago and have already discussed it to death. ;)

On a semi-unrelated note, it never ceases to amaze me how the Daleks can be completely absurd and yet terrifying at the same time.

[tempestsarekind.livejournal.com]

Well, the short version of the Opinion is that the ending of S2 always strikes me (after I get done crying) as being at odds with the themes of the season. Every adventure that Ten and Rose have seems to be trying to tell her that "forever" with the Doctor is impossible; eventually you'll wind up like Reinette or Sarah Jane, and the important thing is how you handle that. And instead of taking those lessons to heart and realizing that someday she'll have to leave the Doctor, she just ignores them and clings harder. So the ending of "Doomsday" is really sad, but it's also very passive as far as Rose is concerned; it's not the outcome of any choice that she made.

...That wasn't especially short, was it?

[lareinenoire.livejournal.com]

Oh, no, I'm very interested.

I can see where your problems come from, though I have the feeling that while Rose understands on a basic level, she's obviously not happy about it, and part of that is the fact that leaving the Doctor means she has to return to her previous life and she literally can't do that.

[tempestsarekind.livejournal.com]

I think that's also part of what bothered me about Rose's arc in S2--the fact that she still thinks such a life isn't worth anything. After everything, even after Nine sending her home the first time to have a "fantastic" life, in the S2 finale (or was it "Army of Ghosts"? I can't remember), she's still saying that before she met the Doctor, nothing had happened to her, and the implication throughout the season is that she still thinks that she's nothing without the Doctor. She starts out in "The Christmas Invasion" saying "Without the Doctor, I'm useless," and when she's brave, she's brave because "someone's gotta be the Doctor," or because it's the thing he would do, and she just sort of stays there. Which is frustrating because I love Rose and think she's awesome, but I can't help feeling like *she* still thinks she's only worth something when she's with the Doctor. It's possible I've thought way too much about this, though, since I've been re-watching S2 lately.

[lareinenoire.livejournal.com]

I think it was Nine sending her home without giving her a choice in the matter, as if he were dismissing her out of hand. I do agree with you that Rose is wonderful on her own, but I find it interesting that she persists in the stubborn belief that she's nothing without the Doctor.

[tempestsarekind.livejournal.com]

Yes--and it's funny, because in S1 it's Mickey who's terrified, and Rose who steps in and saves the world with nothing more than an old chain, and by the end of S2 it's Mickey who's decided he's not going to be limited by the Doctor's definition of him (the idiot, the tin dog), and Rose who's gotten stuck seeing herself as useless.

I should say that my first reaction to "Doomsday" was a lot more like "WHYYYYYY?!? *SOB*" than the screeds I've written here.

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